Brain, Hope, Reality: PTSI not PTSD | Hosted by Dr. Eugene Lipov

Dr. Eugene Lipov (00:01.815)
Welcome back to another episode of the podcast brain hope reality. I'm your host eugen lipov. have not done that for a while multiple reasons We are back with an exciting guest Anna mckill, I don't know if I pronounced it right. So maybe you can kind of Talk to about yourself and how we met and we'll have a good conversation

Ahna Mikl (00:23.786)
Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. It's an honor to be here. yeah, so my name is Anna Mickle. yes. And I come from the world of all things health. So I'm a birth doula, a detox specialist, and a regenerative health practitioner. I just like to say that I help women understand that healing is possible.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (00:33.132)
Thank you.

Ahna Mikl (00:51.782)
and help women really heal on a root cause level and show them that it is possible through my own healing and through my own journey. yeah, I'm very much so happy to be here and happy. Yes, yes, thank you.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (01:11.831)
Thank you. Well, thanks for having coming to the show. And the reason I asked you to come to the show, obviously you and I met and we can talk about how we met. Obviously I know something about psychiatric issues and injections and stuff and we'll talk about that. But I thought we had kind of simpatic connection as far as women's health. And for those of you who may not have heard that.

Ahna Mikl (01:28.206)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (01:36.6)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (01:39.575)
The reason I'm very interested in women's health, not being a woman myself, clearly, as you can see my beautiful hair. My mother took her life when I was an intern in surgery. So I'm very interested in mental health in women and how to optimize that and how to increase function of women.

So, you know, self-reliance, I think it's really important. Being able to not blame yourself. A lot of times there is a physiological change in your body that a lot of times people don't understand. Childbirth is a very traumatic time. Sorry, when I did OB anesthesia, I always said having a child physiologically, we're not talking about all the fluffy stuff, but...

Ahna Mikl (02:11.65)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Easy.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (02:25.301)
It's like having parasite in you. It sucks up all the energy, sucks up iron, whatever, but also the hormone switch has a huge impact on the brain. And you need to respect it and deal with it. And we'll talk about some ideas we're talking about. It also covers infertility. Infertility affects women significantly and unfortunately our society, I think we're having more and more of that.

Ahna Mikl (02:27.393)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (02:37.518)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (02:49.902)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (02:50.103)
There are some therapeutics which are effective some quite expensive still But it also has a significant effect on self-image. It also has effect on the family so with that intro Let's talk about it. So a why don't we start of how you actually found Stella Center or me how you know, we talked about having an injection. Obviously we don't need details just very broad strokes would be perfect

Ahna Mikl (02:54.796)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (03:01.036)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (03:20.108)
Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, really feel like God led me to Stella. I had heard certain things about the Stella 8 ganglion block and started to see it in my dreams and I was like,

I'm supposed to go get the stellate ganglion block and yeah, and For me, you know much of my life. I struggled with symptoms related to post-traumatic stress injury or post PTSD But I didn't really know it and I was kind of yes PTSD Yes, and yeah and

Dr. Eugene Lipov (03:41.719)
Let's switch them.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (03:58.069)
That's exactly right.

Ahna Mikl (04:06.442)
just struggled with a lot of health symptoms a lot of my life and was like chasing certain things to manage those symptoms. for me, the nervous system dysregulation was the biggest piece. coming from, what do I mean by the nervous system dysregulation?

Dr. Eugene Lipov (04:27.553)
What do mean by that, do think?

No, no, no, no. Right. What is it to you when somebody says you resist this regulation? A lot of people who are listening may goes like, what? What is that? What does that mean to you?

Ahna Mikl (04:35.01)
Ahna Mikl (04:41.23)
Yeah, yeah. For me, it was, and I didn't even really rec, I couldn't even recognize that that's what it was. But I struggled with IBS, constipation, severely painful menstrual cycles. I had hair loss, hormonal imbalances, all of these like physical symptoms that I think a lot of women struggle with. A complete disconnection from my sexuality.

just a lot of physical symptoms that can then be tied back to the nervous system. And just this general feeling of not being safe, of hypervigilance. Everywhere I look, everywhere I turn, it's like I was constantly tense.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (05:32.223)
feeling of doom did you have that like something bad is gonna happen

Ahna Mikl (05:34.092)
Yes, yes. And the deeper that I went down my path of healing and the more memories that surface from my past, it was harder and harder for me to ignore the hypervigilance because it got so loud. And I had tried everything I tried. I mean, I'm a detox specialist, right? So I did the detox, I did the meditations, I did chiropractic. I mean, the list goes on.

yet I still couldn't convince my body that I was safe. And so that's really what led me to the Stelate Ganglion block. And so I, I too would kind of love to know from your perspective, like from a science perspective, why is that? Why, why can we be trying, you know, using all of these tools, but still not, right? You can't like convince the body that it's safe because it feels like it's stuck in the past.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (06:27.543)
I

Dr. Eugene Lipov (06:32.759)
Yeah, so I'll give you a specific answer to that. So the way I look at the word is, so if you look at the brain, people talk about the reptilian brain, right? So the fish, the reptile, and the neocortex. So the fish brain is kind of brainstem. The reptilian brain is emotional brain or technically limbic system. Neocortex is what makes us different from dogs, for example. So if you peel the neocortex off,

Ahna Mikl (06:35.8)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (06:42.359)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (06:46.093)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (06:54.414)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (07:02.647)
there is really no the brain is the same in a dog and a human there's no real difference so if you abuse a dog they will have they call it vptsd veterinary ptsd so quarter of the dogs and i'll get back your answer quarter of the dogs that were deployed in iraq developed vptsd because they had trauma and now they have symptoms such as they can't sleep their personality changes are submissive aggressive

Ahna Mikl (07:07.149)
Mm.

Ahna Mikl (07:18.648)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (07:31.426)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (07:32.967)
hypervigilant to noise and so on. So the same symptoms. In fact, the first time I ever treated a dog was in 2009. I can send you a YouTube link on that. And it actually worked, which was pretty cool. So if you think about, so let me give you one more piece of information, which is kind of interesting. So there is an exotic tumor called theochromocytoma, which I assume you've never heard of.

Ahna Mikl (07:43.639)
Yeah.

That's amazing.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (07:57.015)
It's one out of that thousand people get it. Because what happens is it's a tumor that produces norepinephrine. It's a brother of adrenaline or epinephrine. And there are three symptoms. Most common symptoms, high blood pressure spikes. We're talking about 220, Very high. Headaches. And number three is feeling of doom. That's why I ask you about doom.

Ahna Mikl (08:06.584)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (08:17.666)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (08:21.772)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (08:24.319)
If you cut the tumor out of the adrenal, feeling of doom goes away. What it says, what it means is that when people have PTSD, their norepinephrine levels are too high.

Ahna Mikl (08:29.165)
Mm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (08:41.909)
Right, and it's been shown and studied. So if you're interested in like science and stuff, read my paper in 2009 on my website, drEugenLippov.com. But, so if you look at the perspective norepinephrine system, that's the sympathetic system. If you fly right away from the tiger, what happens? You don't need circulation to your fingers. You don't need circulation to your toes. You don't need circulation to your nose.

Ahna Mikl (08:42.072)
Makes sense, yep.

Ahna Mikl (08:49.357)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (08:56.162)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (09:07.138)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (09:09.793)
You certainly don't need circulation in sexual organs. You're just running. He needs to go to big blood vessels. So if you look at people coming off climbs, when they froze, they're their fingers, noses, and so on. So it also does the same, reduces circulation to his intestine. You don't want to be digesting. Thus, you can have IBS. You need a certain amount of circulation.

Ahna Mikl (09:16.365)
Right.

Ahna Mikl (09:34.691)
Right.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (09:39.607)
to the uterus to have normal periods. If that's always high, you're gonna have very painful periods. Also, in order to conceive a child, you need to have endometrial thickness of 78 millimeters, which is about this big. If you have continuous high level of nopronephrine, it's only two millimeters. There's no place to implant, right? There's no place to implant. So fertility rate will be much lower.

Ahna Mikl (09:42.798)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (09:57.39)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (10:02.286)
wow, I did not know that.

Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (10:09.111)
Right? So there was a paper written in 1972 in Italy. Cost me 700 bucks to translate it, which I'm still annoyed with. Anyway, so they took 50 women who had irregular periods and they weren't fertile. They did stellates. Half of those guys got pregnant.

Ahna Mikl (10:09.858)
Wow, yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (10:30.807)
Right? So 85 % of men with PTSD develop sexual dysfunction. And it does respond to stellate. So if you look at the norepinephrine levels and sympathetic overactivation, pretty much the symptoms you described, like hypervigilance. If you're riding on the tiger, you want to be looking around, right? You don't get eaten.

Ahna Mikl (10:31.416)
Well, yeah.

Ahna Mikl (10:38.989)
Mm.

Ahna Mikl (10:55.362)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (10:57.591)
You certainly shouldn't be reproducing. You can be getting getting laid when the tiger is gonna eat you. So that's not good. You want to be in hyperactivity. You should respond very rapidly to any kind of stimuli because you can get eaten. So you're sitting comfortable but you asked me why can you not like you do kind of proactive position. You took all the talk therapy in the world. Can you convince your heart to go slower?

Ahna Mikl (11:05.452)
Right.

Ahna Mikl (11:10.988)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (11:25.877)
No hard, go slower. No. I mean, there are caveats to that, of course. The point is the part of the brain you need to talk to to chill out is the limbic system. And typically people don't have that. Now, just to make it more complicated, there are three neurological structures I want to tell you about. Neuroscience is pretty complicated. There's only three things you need to know. EFC, prefrontal cortex, which is right here. Hippocampus.

Ahna Mikl (11:27.948)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (11:43.085)
Okay.

Okay.

Ahna Mikl (11:49.292)
Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (11:56.0)
which is what controls the memory, part of limbic system, and amygdala. So when bad things happen, amygdala lights up and tells it to run. So amygdala hits the pedal of the metal and you start running. So that's kind of the basic PTSD thing. But if you can increase the function of hippocampus, it suppresses amygdala. So a year ago, a news station asked me,

Ahna Mikl (11:58.19)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (12:08.014)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (12:23.479)
Why would playing Tetris video game help PTSD? I was like I have no idea. They sent me a paper. I looked it up. It turns out playing him playing video games specific ones like Tetris Activates brain function hippocampus and that suppresses amygdala If you play Mario Brothers, you can activate prefrontal cortex not suppress amygdala as well

Ahna Mikl (12:51.446)
Interesting.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (12:52.471)
Right? So if you meditate, it can grow your prefrontal cortex and that can suppress part of the amygdala. Isn't that interesting how it's all connected? Right. So feeling of doom, all it is you're feeling norepinephrine. And it's probably adaptive. If you think about it, if you, if the tiger is sitting next to you, you have to be in high alert all the time. It is a price to pay for high alert though. Long-term stress will kill you.

Ahna Mikl (12:56.3)
Yeah.

Right.

Ahna Mikl (13:03.83)
All of them are connected.

Ahna Mikl (13:17.517)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (13:22.667)
Because PTSD have twice the risk of heart attacks and so on. The other part is this type of trauma or continuous trauma or having PTSD can be given down to two, three generations unless you treat it through epigenetic transmission. Right? So not treating it, you're not doing yourself any favors. Also, you're not doing much good for your kids and your grandchildren.

Ahna Mikl (13:26.797)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (13:33.389)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (13:40.396)
Right, right.

Ahna Mikl (13:49.805)
Right?

Dr. Eugene Lipov (13:50.475)
Plus we live in misery. Besides that, it's a great plan.

Ahna Mikl (13:53.23)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. you're basically, mean, because coming from the birth world as well, I believe maternal health is really the foundation of the world. I really do. And I feel like we're kind of stepping into a time where maternal health is going to be, it really is going to be front and center, or it needs to be front and center in order to heal.

to really heal future, well to heal us now, but so that we don't pass these things down to future generations.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (14:30.135)
Exactly. So yeah, for example, how many women are addicted to vaping and things like that? What that does is reduce circulation to the uterus. So you have smaller babies, they're sicker babies and then die earlier and whatever, right? And then if you are stressed, so if you have PTSD, for example, that increases the chance of postpartum depression by a factor of two or three, which we'll talk about. So.

Ahna Mikl (14:35.514)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (14:39.158)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (14:50.296)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (14:55.863)
Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (14:58.069)
And also, if you have PTSD, your baby is gonna come out smaller and last well because PTSD also affects the immune system. If your mother gets sick, then the kid gets sick and so on. So ideally, mental health is, know, mental health, at least in this country right now, it's the worst it's been since 1941.

Ahna Mikl (15:08.077)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (15:13.206)
Great.

Ahna Mikl (15:24.789)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (15:25.943)
So it's a high suicide rate since 1941. Preteen suicide is in the rise. mean, it's like, it's, we're not even talking about the military aspect, right? That's another story altogether. But if you just look at women's health and fertility is a very sensitive thing, need a lot of things going right. For example, I don't know if you know that, but if women have an orgasm, that chance of conception goes up to a factor of two, right?

Ahna Mikl (15:34.978)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (15:46.307)
Right.

Ahna Mikl (15:54.678)
Yeah, I wanted to kind of go into that actually, like the orgasm piece, because I think, you know, I personally went the majority of my life without ever being able to. And, you know, many, many women, this is the story for many women, but it's not something that we're talking about openly when we need to be.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (16:17.495)
Well, exactly. It's like, another taboo point. But to me, it's physiologic, right? I mean, but think about it. Why do you think orgasm helps conceive? Have you thought about that?

Ahna Mikl (16:19.99)
Right. Right.

Ahna Mikl (16:28.578)
Well, because we're expanding the energy in that area.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (16:34.279)
That's a little fufu for me. What it does, sorry, it produces suction. the stuff that's mixed where it needs to get mixed, it's up to the endometrium. Once it gets to the endometrium, then it gets stuck, right? So the thicker the endometrial wall,

Ahna Mikl (16:36.491)
What?

Okay?

Ahna Mikl (16:43.543)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (16:53.057)
the easier it is to implant. if you're not stressed, instead of six millimeters, it's gonna be eight millimeters. So once the thing gets there, it gets stuck and it gets the energy it needs and poof, you have a child. I have to tell you a cuter story though. So I had this gentleman who was a firefighter, marvelous man. Anyway, I treat him, he does great, his PTSD goes away, everything's great. He calls me up two years later, he says, hey, Doug, we got pregnant. I was like,

Ahna Mikl (16:58.424)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (17:05.259)
Right? Wow. Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (17:17.421)
Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (17:23.137)
Congratulations. I mean, I don't take a sexual history ever. It's like not in my business. He said, I don't think you understand that. said, well, all tell me about it. So he and his wife had tried to get pregnant for 10 years or 15 years, something like that. So they couldn't get pregnant, da, da, da. And then I do the procedure and they conceived the night after the procedure.

Ahna Mikl (17:30.22)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (17:51.223)
Right, so he calls me back and he says, know, that's thanks to you. said, well, first of all, I had nothing to do with it. That's all good. I'm glad it helped. Guess what they call the baby. Jordan. Jordan for Michael Jordan. Isn't that cute? But think about the mechanistic, right? So if norepinephrine levels are too high, the equipment...

Ahna Mikl (18:05.08)
What it?

Yeah, it is cute. I like that name. Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (18:20.447)
male equipment does not work so good. If it's too low, nothing. If it's optimal, then the equipment works well. So theoretically at least, I think his sexual function improved, thus potentially into orgasm, thus potentially into conception.

Ahna Mikl (18:22.508)
Right?

Ahna Mikl (18:27.202)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (18:37.006)
And would you say too, like the parasympathetic piece as well, because like in order for, for, our reproductive parts to even be working.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (18:46.935)
They're both there, right? They both need to work. But that is if he is not tense, his wife is not tense, all the right things are relaxed the way it's supposed to be relaxed. And it works the way it's God built it, right? I mean, it should be just normal function. But you see how it all kind of connects? So everybody's relaxed. Like one of my buddies that I treated said, you know, I talked to his wife, he said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ahna Mikl (18:49.473)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (18:53.709)
Yeah.

Right?

Yeah. Yep. beautiful.

Yes, yes.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (19:14.807)
you know, he's great, but the temperature in the house is going down. Instead of walking around on eggshells, now it's like, okay, hi, have fun. Everything works better that way. Everybody's relaxed, including the children, because children pick up emotional energy very rapidly, right? There's a cycle. So that's part of a big thing I believe in, we should treat not only the person's PTSD,

Ahna Mikl (19:25.74)
Yeah. Yep.

Exactly. Yep. Yep.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (19:39.499)
but the spouse and the kids, because my mother got PTSD from my father. That's called secondary PTSD. But if you treat both of those guys, it changes lives completely, which is really amazing to see. And I've seen a lot of that.

Ahna Mikl (19:41.592)
Right.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (19:51.725)
Yeah.

Yeah, and I would say too to that, I just even think about like how many, right? How many neurons, I think that's what I would, yeah, like neurons are created, right? In infancy and the baby. Yeah, I mean millions, millions, millions, like every second. And so it's like babies are always attuning to mother and father. And so, yeah, yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (20:08.885)
hopefully a lot.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (20:19.991)
Right. Well, they designed that way, right? So there is something called echo neurons. I don't know if you've heard that term. So echo neurons, there was a cute experiment somebody did, I think in UCLA. took people, college students, paid them minimal amount of money, put them in a scanner and they put people right next to them in another scanner. And one got electro-shocked and the other one didn't. And they scanned the brains at the same time.

Ahna Mikl (20:25.675)
No.

Ahna Mikl (20:34.925)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (20:47.703)
And they found the same changes in the brain of somebody who was observing as somebody who got shocked. So we resonate to another human being. So if you think about the children, especially, resonate very much. can feel, they're all bored empath, because they need to understand how to deal with their parents, even if they're preverbal, right? As you get older, like I'm an empath, which having run a trauma unit,

Ahna Mikl (20:54.936)
Wow.

Ahna Mikl (21:06.956)
Right. Right.

Mm-hmm. Chill.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (21:13.975)
Let me assure you, not a good thing to be. I wouldn't recommend that for a trauma surgeon. No bueno. But you can see how that is all connected. So I always tell people, like you think about secondary PTSD like STD, you can catch it from your partner. It goes back and forth. So if you treat one, but you don't treat the other, it's gonna come back.

Ahna Mikl (21:16.333)
Yeah.

Yeah. Right.

Ahna Mikl (21:26.765)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (21:35.103)
Absolutely.

Ahna Mikl (21:39.71)
Mm. And yeah, that's so interesting and makes so much sense. And kind of also going back to just like the sexual function piece, just because I know a lot of women are really curious about this. Especially in like women's bodies, like many women are numb. Like.

They feel numbness, which is also why, you know, because they just can't get into a relaxed enough state. And there's so much trauma and stored emotions in the genitals and the reproductive. Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (22:14.935)
So let me ask you question about that. I used to actually run a section in the hospital that the focus was pelvic pain. So I'm familiar with that. you know, child abuse and all of that. That's another story altogether. It's pretty odd. When you say numb, what do you mean numb? Exactly.

Ahna Mikl (22:22.753)
Okay, yeah.

Ahna Mikl (22:26.978)
Yep. Yep.

Ahna Mikl (22:34.484)
numb, numb as in can't like, literally numb like can't, yeah, can't relax can't feel pleasure.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (22:38.304)
I can't relax.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (22:42.871)
But that's different, that's this Houdini and then different to me, like somebody tells me they're numb. It means if somebody touches that, they feel nothing. They feel that it just, there's no pleasure from stimulation. That's what you're talking about. Right.

Ahna Mikl (22:47.373)
Yeah.

Yes, yes.

Yeah, I'm talking about that. Have you seen any changes in success stories around after people getting? Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (23:04.041)
Well, honestly, I don't ask But let's let's do the extreme version of it. Okay, we heard the term vaginismus, you know that is It's basically Vagina is very tight The continuous constricted that's continuous constriction. It could be because of sexual assault would be whatever so

Ahna Mikl (23:10.669)
Yeah.

Yes, I've heard of it, but I haven't dove into it.

Ahna Mikl (23:19.455)
yes. Yes.

Ahna Mikl (23:26.498)
Yep.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (23:28.599)
Theoretically, we think that that's a defensive posture, right? So if you can get somebody out of defensive posture and you can relax, it's all about relaxation. So in somebody who has that kind of a problem, so there is quite a bit of physical therapy that women get done for that. But I think Stalagangdangok would help that. Because if you can reduce sympathetic system, the fight and flight system in general,

Ahna Mikl (23:31.918)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (23:35.596)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (23:42.51)
Thank

Ahna Mikl (23:47.16)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (23:50.624)
Yeah, I do too.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (23:56.044)
we find much more effective therapeutic intervention with psychological therapy because people don't get over-activated, they can stay calm, they can stay present, which is all important, right? Because if you don't, it doesn't really work. And you know, and it's also, it depends, the sexual dysfunction piece is to me, it's still limbic dysfunction.

Ahna Mikl (24:08.845)
Right?

Ahna Mikl (24:13.655)
Right.

Ahna Mikl (24:22.303)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (24:24.425)
If you are driving thousand miles per hour and trying to survive and somebody's trying to get hot and heavy with you into your pants, it's not gonna go anywhere, right? So until that's fixed, you can say, well, it's my vagina problem, it's my clitoris problem, whatever, da-da-da-da-da. But I don't get into that. But the point is, I think you need the biggest, my saying when people talk to me, which is thankfully rarely, about sexual dysfunction.

Ahna Mikl (24:33.376)
Right? Right?

So

Ahna Mikl (24:42.508)
Yeah. Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (24:51.853)
Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (24:52.215)
The biggest sexual organ is your brain. Everything else is interesting, but until the brain is fixed, it's not gonna work. Obviously if somebody has it blown away, different problem. But if everything is still connected, until you get the brain calm, right? So that's why the whole symptoms of, you know, like scented candles. You know, by the way, the biggest ephrodisiac smell that you can try?

Ahna Mikl (24:59.875)
Yep.

Ahna Mikl (25:03.671)
Yup.

Ahna Mikl (25:08.898)
Yep. Yep.

Ahna Mikl (25:19.596)
No, what is it?

Dr. Eugene Lipov (25:20.048)
What do you think? Take a guess.

Ahna Mikl (25:24.174)
I would say like the smell of your partner, what is it? I mean, that's kind of what I think.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (25:31.575)
I don't know. I don't even study like that. Anyways, if I said apple pie.

Ahna Mikl (25:38.41)
Interesting. Because it...

Dr. Eugene Lipov (25:39.767)
Because it brings you back to relax, calm, plus if your partner didn't take a shower, eh, you know, it's like, yeah, you're nice, but get a shower first, My point is, it's not as consistent. Apple pie doesn't need to take a shower. It's consistent. Right, it's consistent. But the point is it's scented candles, lavender, whatever. So, I mean, if I was gonna do anything in this space, fortunately I don't, but.

Ahna Mikl (25:43.17)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (25:51.784)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (25:57.164)
Right, right, smells the same. Yeah. Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (26:04.824)
Yep.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (26:09.675)
like lavender smell I think is marvelous, things like that, because that reduces your system. In fact, you can use order, which I think you're wearing ordering as well, right?

Ahna Mikl (26:20.01)
No I'm not, no.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (26:21.387)
Anyway, so, but my point is you can potentially look at your arousal state, like not sexual arousal, but heart rate, heart rate variability, right, HRV, all of that. Potentially you can tell what shape you're in for sexual function just by ordering. Because if the HRV is low, doesn't matter the smell is, nothing's gonna happen, I don't think.

Ahna Mikl (26:32.034)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (26:40.108)
Yeah, that makes sense.

Ahna Mikl (26:46.53)
Right, right, yeah. It's biologic, or would you say it's biological? Physiological, yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (26:50.903)
It's well, I call it physiologic. just, but a bit, it's adaptive, right? Again, if you think of it in perspective, you're riding from a tiger. What do you want it to do? You don't want, if you cut your finger, if you don't want to bleed to that, you want to cut down the circulation. It's, it's designed to get the main whole home. You certainly don't want to be distracted by erratic images when you're trying to run.

Ahna Mikl (26:59.875)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (27:15.19)
Right, right. No, I'm so happy that you went into this because I think it's going to, I mean, I truly believe that SGB is gonna change the lives of millions, millions, yeah, millions of people. And I will even say like, since I got it, which was about two and a half weeks ago, I've, yeah, so.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (27:29.195)
I agree with you.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (27:37.284)
yeah, any changes you've seen?

Ahna Mikl (27:41.454)
It's been a period of very, very deep emotional work for me since I received it. I've been able to sleep though. I've been able to sleep, which is huge because, because I, you know, as I uncovered layers of my past and, know, I would have nights of consecutive nights of no sleep because my body could not get out of a state of hypervigilance. Like I would see a shadow, right? It was, and, and so it's helped me.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (27:50.359)
That's a huge thing.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (28:03.797)
Right. Yeah, exactly right.

Ahna Mikl (28:10.842)
so much in that realm and then I've been able to actually work through memories of my past and release them. Which... Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (28:20.897)
Well, that's a whole thing. You get access to that. actually, let's talk about a couple of things that may be interesting for you. So I don't know if you've heard the term Glymph. Glymphatic system. Cool. So for those of you listeners who don't know this, Glymphatic system is when you drain from the extremity, typically. Glymph is what's...

Ahna Mikl (28:26.349)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (28:36.131)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (28:39.694)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (28:44.127)
Basically, when you're thinking you're producing waste product and it gets stuck in the brain and the way to get rid of it you need to be in stage four or deep sleep. So you can sleep for 20 hours but not deep and it's still stuck in your brain. So basically waste product in the brain is still hanging around. You're not going to be very you're going to be kind of out of it, right? So that's why ordering or

Ahna Mikl (29:06.755)
Right.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (29:10.495)
Fitbit, things like that, can give you what deep you're in, what deep sleep you're in. So, like for example, you can meditate right before you go to sleep. Or one of my favorite things I recommend is Yoga Nidra. Right?

Ahna Mikl (29:12.354)
Yep.

Ahna Mikl (29:19.864)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (29:25.614)
Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (29:27.159)
Bioscan, I think that's like the best thing. So because it gets you in the right phase where you can do something about it and you'll sleep better. And then when you are relaxed, you're not stressed, right? So when you're awake, you can process hopefully the stuff you're processing. So let me tell you a story. I call it the story of the two brains or two memories. So there's two types of memory. There is emotional memory, there is functional memory.

Ahna Mikl (29:33.389)
Right.

Ahna Mikl (29:37.965)
Yep.

Ahna Mikl (29:43.436)
Right.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (29:55.127)
The emotional memory lives in our amygdala, the same part of the brain that controls fear. Hippocampus is factual memory. So there was a guy in Philadelphia who did a study. He had access to a patient who had, everyone had a hippocampal stroke. So they had all short-term memory loss. So he can meet the same person 10 times a day and he'll be a new stranger for him every time, right?

Ahna Mikl (30:00.942)
Yay.

Ahna Mikl (30:16.11)
Mm.

Ahna Mikl (30:22.136)
Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (30:23.063)
So he showed happy memory, happy movies to 10 people or 20 people. Two hours later, he said, how do you feel? Happy, feel great. Why? Not a clue. Next day, showed them sad films, like videos. How do you feel? Very sad. Why? Not a clue. So the point is that Amygdala remembers it. So Stellate seems to deactivate the Amygdala and activate the hippocampus.

Ahna Mikl (30:27.982)
Mm.

Ahna Mikl (30:39.18)
Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (30:52.193)
So you can get access to emotional memory, which has been locked away from you, couldn't process it, but then you can actually deal with it. Isn't that cool? I think that's really, to me, like a super cool thing.

Ahna Mikl (30:58.082)
Write. Write and release it.

Ahna Mikl (31:06.166)
Yeah, and I mean, I'm so glad you talked about that because it's like, you know, I went the majority of my life with these repressed, I had everything repressed because I was living in survival. And until I got the ganglion block, I mean, truly, it has freed me in so many ways. I've been able to, yeah, I've been able to forgive. I've like, just a few days ago, like I reached that like state of like, no, like I am not my past. And...

Dr. Eugene Lipov (31:25.975)
That's so cool.

Ahna Mikl (31:36.148)
and healing is possible and it's all the lessons that I learned from what I went through and I really truly wouldn't have been able to get to this point without it. But the thing is I'm still feeling these, I'm still feeling like everything kind of detoxing out of my system still. Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (31:55.575)
It takes time but the good thing is you see a future, right? It's not so one of the things I always tell people it's like like my mother took her life She had no hope But if you have hope again People don't usually kill themselves and You know, it's not PTSD is not a lifestyle. It's a condition that's readable It's not a disorder. Whatever the hell that means. Nobody knows what that means

Ahna Mikl (32:01.31)
I do.

Ahna Mikl (32:06.306)
Yeah. Yep. Right. Right.

Ahna Mikl (32:20.27)
exactly.

Ahna Mikl (32:24.268)
Yep.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (32:24.471)
It's a bunch of various things that are physiologically treatable. So that's how I look at the world, right? It also has other potential things like immune system, impact, GI impact, all of that. And it's all connected because if you think about your colon being tight, it's IBS.

Ahna Mikl (32:29.89)
Yep. Yep.

Ahna Mikl (32:43.82)
Yep. Yep. No, that's, that's so good. Yeah. And then that's the best way to say it. Like I, I have hope for the future. You know, I'm not like paralyzed, right? I'm not paralyzed by the fear anymore. Like I understand now that was just a lesson. The fear, know, and, it's allowed me, it's just allowed me to even process emotions that I, that I couldn't process before.

Like I couldn't access.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (33:12.759)
Exactly. You couldn't process it because either there were too much or you couldn't access it at all. Because the body is trying to defend you because there's so much, it's overwhelming. So I usually don't like to make, I've done a podcast that was four hours before. I'm not trying to do that. So I thought if you don't mind, for next five, five, 10 minutes, maybe we can talk about possible project you and I talked about, trying to treat postpartum depression.

Ahna Mikl (33:18.956)
Yeah, I couldn't access it.

Yes.

Ahna Mikl (33:33.623)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (33:38.922)
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (33:43.799)
So to me, I've had two or three patients I've treated with that, and that seemed to have worked well for them. So advantage of Stelligangdum block work DSR, which is a more advanced version, which you had DSR not SGP, the way. Just so you know. Two levels, no, no, two levels on one side. You had two levels. Believe me, I was there, believe me, that's what you had. Yeah, absolutely, I knew it was there. Anyway, so...

Ahna Mikl (33:50.061)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (33:58.514)
because I got both sides. okay. Okay, good to know. You did it, yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (34:14.423)
Postpartum depression is a huge problem when it happens because it disrupts the family, disrupts the connection between the mother and the child and a lot of problems happen. The other thing is treatments like you cannot really take or most women don't really want to take psychiatric medication because it'll affect the child. Also, psychiatric medications takes month to years to work. You just don't have that time.

Ahna Mikl (34:24.055)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (34:35.096)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (34:41.772)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (34:43.351)
The golden period I think is about a month to three months. Right. So the cool thing about DSR or Stal Gangnam block, it works, if it works, typically works almost immediately. And you can pump and dump for eight hours, so to speak. So you're not going to fail the child. You really don't have to technically, but if you want to, you can do that. It's not a long period and the intervention is rapid, which is great. So we are talking about potentially finding women with that.

Ahna Mikl (34:47.042)
Yeah. Yep.

Ahna Mikl (34:55.468)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (35:05.07)
Okay, yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (35:13.845)
and potentially treating them.

Ahna Mikl (35:15.606)
Yes. Yeah, which is, yeah, kind of goes back to what I was saying earlier, too. I just think about like maternal health, right? And how important that is. It's huge. It's everything. and many women, many women struggle with postpartum depression, I think. we, know,

Dr. Eugene Lipov (35:16.972)
So.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (35:23.931)
it's huge. Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (35:34.955)
Well, some more extreme than others, some does, some that. But my point is if you are proactive, part of it is education. So this is what I'm hoping you can help me with. If somebody has a history of postpartum depression in the past, and now they have another child, there's pretty good chance there's gonna be another one. Also, if somebody has a history of PTSD, that also increases the chance of postpartum depression. So that's a risk factor.

Ahna Mikl (35:45.091)
you

Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (35:52.845)
Yep.

Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (36:00.288)
is and

Dr. Eugene Lipov (36:03.127)
So you might as well prepare it, what are you gonna do if it becomes bad?

Ahna Mikl (36:06.766)
Right. And I think too, from that perspective and just like what I've seen is after a woman has a baby, you know, we're more, I mean, there's so many reasons for this, but it's like we're more emotionally open.

And a lot of things come up in that time period. It's like almost like a rebirth in a sense for women. And so I feel like also too, postpartum depression is more common.

What do want to say? Maybe not more common in women that have experienced things in the past that they haven't worked through, but also yes. Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (36:52.151)
I think that's true. I think that's true because there are some sciency explanation for that but I think if you have a mental health instability, any kind, before birth, because if think about it, estrogen goes up and it plummets. So estrogen actually has some really interesting effect on sympathetic nervous system. So we talked about that.

Ahna Mikl (36:59.415)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (37:03.362)
Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (37:18.517)
But if you think about it, if you take out ovaries in young women, the blood pressure goes up. You give them estrogen, blood pressure goes away. So women develop PTSD is twice the rate compared to men who has the same trauma. So I believe women usually drive in a higher sympathetic system and estrogen was developed by the man upstairs to control sympathetics.

Ahna Mikl (37:19.5)
Interesting.

Ahna Mikl (37:29.591)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (37:43.394)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (37:47.255)
Mmm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (37:48.151)
So when you have this high thing, the sympathetic system gets wonky. So if look at half flashes, right? So this is the first time I used telegangly block for something outside normal stuff was half flashes, not PTSD. And then, so when women's estrogen goes down, half flash start, right? If you give estrogen, what happens? Half flash stop. When you can still it, half flash go away.

Ahna Mikl (37:53.132)
Right. Yep.

Ahna Mikl (37:59.885)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (38:03.692)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (38:12.899)
Right.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (38:16.929)
Same thing, it's all sympathetic.

Ahna Mikl (38:17.877)
Same thing. Yeah, yeah, it is. And would you say, too, for women in the postpartum, like, and maybe, guess, we're kind of looking for people, right, that would benefit from this treatment so that we can study it. But as far as, the mother and the father, it'd probably be beneficial for them both.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (38:35.072)
Yes.

Ahna Mikl (38:43.936)
from a family dynamic perspective after or would you say more important?

Dr. Eugene Lipov (38:44.704)
Yeah.

I think shmaby, my technical term. My favorite term is shmaby. Science and shmaby are my two favorite terms. So it depends. So if everything was fine, if they had a normal relationship, and then a woman develops this, if it lasts for years, I think they're all in trouble. So both should be treated. If you can treat it early, like when I was a surgeon or surgical resident,

Ahna Mikl (38:50.04)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah

Yeah.

Uh-huh.

Ahna Mikl (39:07.18)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (39:16.245)
Do you want a small tumor? Or do you want to a big tumor? You want to treat the small tumor. The point is identify early, treat early. High blood pressure, same thing. Do you want it to be for 20 years? Or want it to be six months? If you can treat it early, it depends. It depends, you know, also not everybody values PTSD. Some people just don't. Whatever you do to them, you just don't. But the point is, if you have a level of suspicion,

Ahna Mikl (39:19.608)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (39:28.898)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (39:35.842)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (39:41.059)
Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (39:45.665)
then it's a different problem, right? So let's say a woman comes out of it, now the guy doesn't get in the bed with her. It's like, my God, is something wrong with me? And he feels bad because his sexual function is no longer there. I'm thinking you should think about PTSD at that point. If they're lovey-dovey and everything's great, we're not treating anyone. Why would you treat somebody? My point is having a level of suspicion is worth it. And then children, like I've done children.

Ahna Mikl (39:47.394)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (39:55.17)
Right.

Right.

Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (40:04.642)
Yep. Yep.

Ahna Mikl (40:09.964)
Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (40:12.553)
as young as eight years old, it depends how traumatized they are.

Ahna Mikl (40:14.67)
For the women listening and the women I'm also going to share this with, I'm curious, from your perspective, how early on after pregnancy, after they have their baby, could they get this treatment? Is there any time?

Dr. Eugene Lipov (40:34.731)
Yeah, well, I mean, you don't want to do procedures in pregnancy. And that's more medical legal, but let's say, I've never done one pregnancy, nor am I going to. Therapeutically, you can start a week later. Yeah, it doesn't really matter. So to me, I used to run trauma units, I worked in ERs, all of that. So the point is, you identify a problem, why are you waiting to treat it?

Ahna Mikl (40:39.808)
Right. But.

Ahna Mikl (40:46.017)
Yeah.

Okay?

Ahna Mikl (40:56.14)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (41:01.443)
Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (41:02.123)
Because as soon as you treat it, the better you're off. Because the damage, because bonding of a mother and a child is a huge thing. I think people don't realize how important that is. Right? And then you have the family units forming the ideas everybody's loving, da da da. But then if a woman is not bonded to them because oxytocin has got made that, so you get the lovey-dovey, right? Everybody lovey-dovey.

Ahna Mikl (41:04.94)
Right. Right.

Ahna Mikl (41:12.59)
It's everything.

Ahna Mikl (41:20.386)
Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (41:24.888)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yep. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (41:31.017)
If that's interfered with, then the family is not as tight. So when you have children screaming, problems happen, then people get annoyed with each other. As opposed to, no, here's my lovey dovey, it doesn't matter what happens. So you can tolerate much more craziness when you're having good bonding. So to me, if you can improve bonding, you're doing great. Especially if it's something simple, you don't have to keep doing it all the time.

Ahna Mikl (41:40.515)
Right.

Ahna Mikl (41:44.653)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (41:50.626)
Yep. Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (41:57.634)
Great.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (41:57.655)
And it doesn't mean it's going to work on everybody. It's probably my guess success rate will be 70, 80%. That's a big number, right?

Ahna Mikl (42:02.668)
Yeah, it's huge. That's huge. you know, thinking about oxytocin, I mean, oxytocin, in my opinion, is like the biggest anti-inflammatory of them all, like truly in like the human body from a healing perspective, which is why I wanted to talk about like orgasms earlier and everything too. No, no, you would say differently? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (42:25.673)
Oxytocin? I'm not aware of that super duper anti-inflammatory. The best anti-inflammatory is still cortisone. That comes out of adrenals. Cortisone. Cortisone. That's what adrenals... I mean that's our natural anti-inflammatory. Oxytocin is great for bundling. It's designed... it's like lavi-davi hormone, right? But anti-inflammatory? I'm not aware of that. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll look it up. I don't know.

Ahna Mikl (42:35.714)
What is it, cortisone? Okay.

Ahna Mikl (42:41.687)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Ahna Mikl (42:48.118)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, you might want to, yeah, maybe like look it up. Yeah, because like part of my training in the schooling I'm in right now is all for like sexual healing and also maternal health and postpartum health and just how important oxytocin is to, yeah, but for the...

Dr. Eugene Lipov (43:09.367)
debating I think it's I agree with all of that except that it oxytocin itself has anti-inflammatory impact I'm just I'm not aware of it. I will look it up and I'll let you know.

Ahna Mikl (43:19.958)
Yeah, I'd be curious for you to look it up and let me know, because that's kind of what I've been learning. And I was like, wow, that makes sense, right? So when we think about just how orgasms are so healing for women, well, it's also because we've got oxytocin just flooding the body.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (43:37.431)
Let me give you a different thing. This is the part I don't I understand So let's say you're stressed, right? There is a direct connection from the stellar ganglion to the uterus to the adrenal To the thymus which controls immune system and a bone marrow So if somebody has orgasm, they're calm collected Now the stress all it goes down. So the thymus starts to work better

Ahna Mikl (43:39.97)
Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (43:54.444)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (44:06.935)
T cells, O and M, B cells, The adrenal gland is no longer pumping out all this cortisone because it's stressed. Now, based the baseline, the immune system starts to function much better. That's I'm thinking. That's not a direct effect of oxytocin, it's a effect on all the other symptoms. Because if the brain goes,

Ahna Mikl (44:08.099)
Yep.

Yep.

Ahna Mikl (44:16.396)
Yeah. Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (44:21.954)
Yeah. Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (44:29.708)
Mm-hmm.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (44:32.055)
He's so loving dubbing and my body so he left That's great because now the body doesn't have to be in defensive mode now. No tiger eating you you're okay Nothing wrong with you. You're okay. Now now the body says I can function not like a normal body I can have sex I have orgasm I can reproduce I can eat I don't have this tightness in the pit of my stomach my colon is not tight

Ahna Mikl (44:37.645)
Yeah.

Right.

Ahna Mikl (44:44.31)
Yeah. Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (44:49.954)
Right.

Ahna Mikl (44:53.304)
Yep. Yep.

Right. Right.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (44:59.531)
You relax. All the little muscles should be relaxed and now relax. The Ingenital Wrangler.

Ahna Mikl (45:02.926)
And when we're relaxed, yeah. And then the other piece too is like, think about my own healing. It's like when I'm actually relaxed and in a parasympathetic state, well, that's when my body releases all that doesn't serve me. It releases, you know, and then that's when we can find freedom. It's when we can truly find freedom.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (45:18.305)
Is that correct?

Dr. Eugene Lipov (45:23.071)
and I have access to all those memories that you no longer need you can say well you know it was it would happen it's over but by now I don't have to be tied to them I'm here where I am I'm having great life and all the other memories but by now I don't need to be with you anymore let him go

Ahna Mikl (45:29.068)
in the past. Yep. Yep. Exactly.

Ahna Mikl (45:39.564)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, this is just, super exciting. I'm so excited to share more updates. I posted like a video and yeah, yeah. And people are, yeah, people are really, really curious because all, you know, I would say almost all of us are dealing with some form of stuff. Really, really. And, and.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (45:48.215)
It'll be great. I'd love to see it.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (46:02.007)
stuff.

It's endless, right? The stuff is endless. Besides all our societal craziness now, some of it is self-induced because of memory and self-judgment, all of that. So if you can relax that, think what kind of better life you can... And you can deal with the craziness better if you are in better condition.

Ahna Mikl (46:09.603)
Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (46:14.6)
yeah. Yep.

Ahna Mikl (46:20.832)
Mm-hmm. Exactly. Yeah, I'm excited to share this with more and more people so that it gives them hope they can heal. Truly. Yes. Yes. And women in the postpartum period especially, couples struggling with fertility, there is hope. There's hope. Yes.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (46:28.971)
That's the key.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (46:37.333)
Yeah, absolutely. I think, I mean, so we will be interested in, so part of what I'm trying to do is get some information and publish that so people start thinking about actually other clinicians can start thinking about doing that.

Ahna Mikl (46:51.318)
Yeah, beautiful. Yeah, I will be sharing this and.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (46:55.777)
Thank you. Maybe we can change a bunch of women's lives. And family. Nobody is happy if mama is not happy. So we need to fix the mama.

Ahna Mikl (46:59.371)
We sure will.

Ahna Mikl (47:03.924)
Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. That's what I say too. And the postpartum period often gets dismissed. We worry so much about the pregnancy and pre-pregnancy. And then we're worried about baby, right? But baby's going to be fine. We have to worry about mom. Mom is the one.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (47:14.339)
yeah, of course.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (47:27.285)
Why is miserable? She's going to make baby miserable. If nothing else with the milk, because the milk is going to have norepinephrine, the baby is going to be not happy. absolutely. It's all connected. mean, even though you're out of the placenta, it's still connected. Even if you don't touch them, they feel emotional mood, and that's not good for the kids if the mama is not in good shape.

Ahna Mikl (47:30.337)
Write.

Ahna Mikl (47:36.512)
Right. Yeah.

Ahna Mikl (47:44.556)
Yep. Yep.

Ahna Mikl (47:49.718)
Right, right, yeah, yeah. So I'm super excited to share this with more women. I think it's really gonna change millions of lives. I believe it.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (47:53.556)
Okay.

Cool.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (48:00.247)
I hope so. Well, considering my mother's death, I'm very interested in making that happen. Any final thoughts? And I don't want to bore people to death.

Ahna Mikl (48:07.542)
Yes.

Ahna Mikl (48:11.341)
No, people are gonna love this I can guarantee that I'm trying to think if I had any other questions, but I think we we We covered the majority of them. I'm just I'm just I'm so Yeah

Dr. Eugene Lipov (48:24.651)
Perfect. Maybe we could do a second one later. How about this? Why don't we see how goes and let's plan to do another one in six months.

Ahna Mikl (48:32.076)
Yeah, that's perfect. I know that this is still working in my body. So I'm excited to kind of come back and share where I'm at, even in just a month. Like I know that it's going to look differently for me. Amazing. Thank you. You too. Thank you.

Dr. Eugene Lipov (48:41.335)
Sure. I have a room ready to go for you. Thank you. Have a great day.